Legislature(2021 - 2022)SENATE FINANCE 532

03/18/2022 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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09:22:07 AM Start
09:22:52 AM Presentation: Cook Inlet Update by Department of Natural Resources and Department of Revenue
10:29:56 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
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+= SB 62 GAS LEASES; RENEWABLE ENERGY GRANT FUND TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled but Not Heard
+ Presentation: Cook Inlet Update by TELECONFERENCED
Department of Natural Resources and Department
of Revenue
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      March 18, 2022                                                                                            
                         9:22 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:22:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   called  the  Senate   Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 9:22 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
Senator David Wilson                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Natasha von Imhof                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Dan Stickel,  Chief Economist, Economic Research  Group, Tax                                                                    
Division,  Department  of  Revenue;  John  Crowther,  Deputy                                                                    
Commissioner,   Department   of  Natural   Resources;   Ryan                                                                    
Fitzpatrick, Commercial  Analyst, Division  of Oil  and Gas,                                                                    
Department of Natural Resources.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Heather  Heusser, Natural  Resource Specialist,  Division of                                                                    
Oil  and Gas,  Department of  Natural Resources;  Maduabuchi                                                                    
Pascal Umekwe, PhD, Commercial Analyst,  Division of Oil and                                                                    
Gas, Department of Natural Resources.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 62     GAS LEASES; RENEWABLE ENERGY GRANT FUND                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
          SB 62 was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION:  COOK INLET  UPDATE BY  DEPARTMENT OF  NATURAL                                                                    
RESOURCES AND DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:22:52 AM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:23:01 AM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  relayed that the committee  would not hear                                                                    
SB 62.  The committee  would consider  updated presentations                                                                    
from the Department  of Revenue (DOR) and  the Department of                                                                    
Natural  Resources  (DNR)  on  the topic  of  a  Cook  Inlet                                                                    
update.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION: COOK  INLET UPDATE  BY DEPARTMENT  OF NATURAL                                                                  
RESOURCES AND DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:23:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAN STICKEL,  CHIEF ECONOMIST, ECONOMIC RESEARCH  GROUP, TAX                                                                    
DIVISION, DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE, discussed the presentation                                                                     
"Cook  Inlet Update  - Senate  Finance  Committee" (copy  on                                                                    
file). He relayed  that the purpose of  the presentation was                                                                    
to  provide  information  about  production  investment  and                                                                    
state revenue, specific to Cook Inlet oil and gas.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel looked at slide 2, "Acronyms":                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     ANS  Alaska North Slope                                                                                                    
     AOGCC  Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation                                                                                     
     Commission                                                                                                                 
     Avg  Average                                                                                                               
     Bbl  Barrel                                                                                                                
     BOE  Barrels of Oil Equivalent                                                                                             
     CI  Cook Inlet                                                                                                             
     CIT  Corporate Income Tax                                                                                                  
     CY  Calendar Year                                                                                                          
     Acronyms                                                                                                                   
     DNR  Department of Natural Resources                                                                                       
     DOR  Department of Revenue                                                                                                 
     FY  Fiscal Year                                                                                                            
     GVPP  Gross Value at Point of Production                                                                                   
     mcf   Thousand cubic feet                                                                                                  
     mmcf   Million cubic feet                                                                                                  
     PTV   Production Tax Value                                                                                                 
     Ths  Thousands                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel spoke to slide 3, "Agenda":                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     ? Oil and Gas Revenue Sources                                                                                              
          o Production tax and January 1, 2022 changes                                                                          
          o FY 2020  FY 2024 Cook Inlet oil and gas                                                                             
          revenues                                                                                                              
     ? Cook Inlet Oil and Gas Prices                                                                                            
     ? Cook Inlet Oil and Gas Production                                                                                        
       Non-North Slope Lease Expenditures                                                                                       
     ? Non-North Slope Tax Credits                                                                                              
     ? Petroleum Revenue by Land Type                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel expanded  that  he would  discuss  some of  the                                                                    
activity  and company  spending related  to tax  credits. He                                                                    
noted that the  chart at the end was  included for reference                                                                    
and summarized  that  not  all oil is  equal  in  Cook Inlet                                                                    
just as on the North Slope.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  referenced  slide  4,  "Oil  and  Gas  Revenue                                                                    
Sources                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     ? Royalty  based on gross value of production                                                                              
          o Plus bonuses, rents, and interest                                                                                   
          o Paid to Owner of the land: State, Federal, or                                                                       
          Private                                                                                                               
          o Usually 12.5% or 16.67% in Alaska, but rates                                                                        
          vary                                                                                                                  
     ? Corporate Income Tax  based on net income                                                                                
          o Paid to State (9.4% top rate)                                                                                       
          o Paid to Federal (21% top rate)                                                                                      
          o Only C-Corporations* pay this tax                                                                                   
     ? Property Tax  based on value of oil & gas property                                                                       
          o Paid to State (2% of assessed value or "20                                                                          
          mills")                                                                                                               
          o Paid to Municipalities  credit offsets state                                                                        
          tax paid                                                                                                              
     ? Production Tax  based on "production tax value"                                                                          
          o Paid to State  calculation to follow                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     *  C-Corporation is  a business  term that  is used  to                                                                    
     distinguish  the type  of business  entity, as  defined                                                                    
     under  subchapter C  of  the  federal Internal  Revenue                                                                    
     Code.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:26:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel turned  to slide 5, "Cook  Inlet Production Tax:                                                                    
Before and Starting January 1,  2022," which showed a table.                                                                    
He  noted that  there had  been some  recent changes  to the                                                                    
production tax in Cook Inlet,  which worked differently than                                                                    
the  North  Slope.  For  the Cook  Inlet  in  particular,  a                                                                    
company  nominally  paid  a  tax   rate  of  35  percent  of                                                                    
production tax  value. He explained that  the production tax                                                                    
was  the  gross value  of  the  oil  and gas  produced  less                                                                    
allowable  lease  expenditures.  There were  no  per-taxable                                                                    
barrel credits in  Cook Inlet, and there was  no minimum tax                                                                    
floor.  There was  a tax  ceiling of  $1 per  barrel of  oil                                                                    
produced,  and  a  tax ceiling  averaging  $17.7  cents  per                                                                    
thousand cubic feet of gas  produced. The gas ceiling varied                                                                    
by property.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel continued to address  slide 5. He recounted that                                                                    
in 2016,  HB 247  was passed  and repealed  most of  the tax                                                                    
credits  in  Cook Inlet.  The  credits  were phased  out  by                                                                    
January 1 of 2018. The change  that took effect on January 1                                                                    
of 2022  had to do  with how gas  was taxed. Prior  to 2022,                                                                    
oil  and  gas  were  subject  to net  tax.  A  company  that                                                                    
produced  both   oil  and  gas  would   allocate  its  lease                                                                    
expenditures  between oil  and  gas in  calculating the  net                                                                    
tax.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel continued his remarks.  The change that happened                                                                    
in the current year was  that gas production was now subject                                                                    
to a 13  percent gross tax, and all  lease expenditures were                                                                    
now   allowed  to   be  deductible   against  the   oil  tax                                                                    
calculation.  The change  was in  place as  part of  SB 138,                                                                    
which passed  in 2014  and intended to  support a  major gas                                                                    
sale. The changes to the statutes  for gas was taxed and how                                                                    
lease expenditures were allocated applied statewide.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked  Mr. Stickel to touch on  the gas tax                                                                    
rate of 13 percent of gross value of point of production.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  noted that prior  to January 21, 2022,  oil and                                                                    
gas were  both taxed at  35 percent of production  tax value                                                                    
with a tax  ceiling in place. Beginning on  January 31, 2022                                                                    
oil was still  taxed at 35 percent of  production tax value,                                                                    
and the  $1/bbl tax ceiling  still applied. Starting  in the                                                                    
current year  gas was  taxed at 13  percent of  gross value,                                                                    
and  the $17.7  cents per  thousand cubic  feet tax  ceiling                                                                    
still applied.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked if  future presentations  would show                                                                    
the tax ceilings.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel informed  that slide 6 would show  a history and                                                                    
forecast of revenue for Cook Inlet.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:30:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel considered  slide 6,  "Cook Inlet  Oil and  Gas                                                                    
Revenue:  Five-Year   Comparison,"  which  showed   a  table                                                                    
depicting  two full  years of  history,  the current  fiscal                                                                    
year,  and two  years of  forecast. He  noted that  the five                                                                    
years was broken out to see  two full years with and without                                                                    
the recent  tax changes. The property  tax shown represented                                                                    
the  state share  of  property  tax only,  and  there was  a                                                                    
similar amount  of property tax levied  by municipalities as                                                                    
well.  The  corporate  income   tax  represented  the  total                                                                    
estimated  corporate income  tax  for  non-North Slope.  The                                                                    
production  tax did  incorporate the  tax changes  that took                                                                    
effect on January 1.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  continued that  the department  was forecasting                                                                    
that the tax ceilings would  apply for gas. The estimate was                                                                    
that gas would be paying  the $17.7 cents per thousand cubic                                                                    
feet tax  ceiling. The department  was forecasting  that oil                                                                    
would  be  paying only  the  private  landowner royalty  and                                                                    
hazardous  release   surcharge.  The  35  percent   net  tax                                                                    
calculation  was  not  expected   to  generate  an  oil  tax                                                                    
liability for production tax. He  pointed out that the shift                                                                    
to the 13  percent gross tax resulted in a  tax increase for                                                                    
Cook Inlet. The  state had been receiving a  little under $1                                                                    
million per  year in production  tax, which was  expected to                                                                    
increase to around $7 million per year starting in FY 23.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel addressed  royalties,  which included  bonuses,                                                                    
rents,  and interest,  as  well as  the  Permanent Fund  and                                                                    
School Fund shares,  which were the largest  source of state                                                                    
revenue  from  Cook Inlet.  He  informed  that DNR  did  not                                                                    
forecast Cook Inlet  oil price or gas  price explicitly. For                                                                    
Cook Inlet  oil price, the  department used the  North Slope                                                                    
oil  forecast as  a proxy,  because the  values of  the oils                                                                    
were  fairly  similar in  the  market.  For gas  prices  the                                                                    
department used  the prevailing value published  by DOR, and                                                                    
assumed that the prices would  increase with inflation going                                                                    
forward. He  noted that  DNR did  produce an  oil production                                                                    
forecast  specific to  Cook Inlet.  For gas  production, DNR                                                                    
took  the most  recent  fiscal year  production and  assumed                                                                    
there would be stable production.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked about slide 7.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel displayed  slide  7, "Cook  Inlet  Oil and  Gas                                                                    
Prices," which showed  a graph with two  lines depicting the                                                                    
price of oil and gas over time from 2018 to 2031.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  about  a  hypothetical scenario  in                                                                    
which the price of oil  stayed level at $80/bbl, and whether                                                                    
the gas tax would also run horizontally.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel   explained  that   for  DOR's   forecast,  the                                                                    
department  estimated   that,  given  that  all   the  lease                                                                    
expenditures  were deductible  for oil,  the department  was                                                                    
not  forecasting a  net profits  tax payment  from oil.  The                                                                    
department was forecasting very little  in tax from oil, and                                                                    
that the  $17.7 cents  per thousand  cubic feet  tax ceiling                                                                    
would  essentially  be  the  gas   tax  that  was  paid.  He                                                                    
explained that slightly higher or  slightly lower oil or gas                                                                    
forecast would  not significantly impact the  production tax                                                                    
revenue for Cook Inlet, but it would impact royalty.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel explained  that slide  7 showed  a history  and                                                                    
forecast of  Cook Inlet  gas and oil  prices with  oil price                                                                    
values on  the left axis and  gas price values on  the right                                                                    
axis. He  reiterated that the  department used  the forecast                                                                    
for Alaska  North Slope oil as  a proxy for Cook  Inlet oil,                                                                    
and then  assumed consistent growth  with inflation  for gas                                                                    
prices.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:35:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked for more  discussion related  to the                                                                    
forecast  oil  and  gas  prices  and  how  it  was  tied  to                                                                    
inflation.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel relayed  that for gas prices,  DOR published the                                                                    
prevailing  value for  Cook Inlet  gas prices.  He continued                                                                    
that  DNR  used an  official  inflation  assumption of  2.25                                                                    
percent,  which  was  incorporated  into  the  forecast.  He                                                                    
acknowledged  that inflation  was  running  a little  higher                                                                    
lately.  He summarized  that the  department  took the  most                                                                    
recent year  of published  prevailing value and  assumed gas                                                                    
prices would increase by 2.25 percent.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  understood there were  long-term contracts                                                                    
in  Cook  Inlet, which  meant  production  was tied  up  for                                                                    
several years. He  asked if the contracts  dictated what the                                                                    
gas would be  worth coming out of the ground.  He added that                                                                    
Cook Inlet was a closed basin.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel affirmed  that the  gas forecast  was a   na?ve                                                                    
forecast   with  assumptions  around  production  and  price                                                                    
given  the  relatively small  impact  on  state revenue.  He                                                                    
acknowledged that  there were definitely reasons  gas prices                                                                    
could be higher or lower than the forecast.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman doubted  that there would be  gas prices to                                                                    
the  citizenry climb  with inflation  in perpetuity.  He did                                                                    
not think  it seemed logical  with a closed basin  and long-                                                                    
term contracts.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  highlighted slide  8, "Cook  Inlet Oil  and Gas                                                                    
Production,"  which  was a  similar  chart  to the  previous                                                                    
slide but for  oil and gas production. He  relayed that Cook                                                                    
Inlet was Alaskas  first oil  and gas basin, began producing                                                                    
in  the 1950s,  and peaked  at  230,000 barrels  per day  of                                                                    
production in  the early 1970s.  The inlet had  supplied the                                                                    
Southcentral gas  market for many  years with  exporting gas                                                                    
to Asia. More recently for  oil production, there had been a                                                                    
pretty significant  increase when Hilcorp entered  the inlet                                                                    
in 2012,  which had  coincided with  some very  generous tax                                                                    
credits offered by the state at the time.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  continued that generally production  of oil had                                                                    
been declining since 2015, since  the bump in production. He                                                                    
noted  that DNR  forecasted  Cook Inlet  oil production  and                                                                    
foresaw new  projects that  would stabilize  production over                                                                    
the  next decade.  He reiterated  that DOR  and DNR  did not                                                                    
explicitly forecast  natural gas production, but  assumed it                                                                    
would be  stable going forward. He  understood some reserves                                                                    
existed, so that  companies could supply the  market for the                                                                    
next  several   years.  He  thought   the  forecast   was  a                                                                    
reasonable assumption for modelling purposes.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:38:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked  to go back to slide 7.  He wanted to                                                                    
gain  clarity  on  the   concept  on  ever-increasing  price                                                                    
increases based  on inflation in  a closed basin  with long-                                                                    
term price contracts. He asked  if the Regulatory Commission                                                                    
of Alaska (RCA)  got involved in pricing of  gas and utility                                                                    
issues in the Railbelt.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel explained  that the  concept  of the  inflation                                                                    
adjustment was  that in  current dollar  terms, the  cost of                                                                    
the gas  would be unchanged.  The cost of operation  and the                                                                    
cost  of  producing  the  gas would  be  similar.  The  only                                                                    
adjustment being made was for  general inflation in the cost                                                                    
of anything. If the chart was  shown in real terms, it would                                                                    
reflect a flat price.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  looked  at slide  9,  "Non-North  Slope  Lease                                                                    
Expenditures," which  showed a  graph. He expanded  that the                                                                    
story told  by the  graph was  that if  there were  high oil                                                                    
prices, low  taxes, and generous state  support, there would                                                                    
be investment.  There was significant capital  investment in                                                                    
Cook inlet in the early  and mid-2010s,  spurred by the Cook                                                                    
Inlet Recovery  Act in 2010  and provided very  generous tax                                                                    
credits  for   drilling  and   exploration  in   the  inlet.                                                                    
Coinciding with the  act, Hilcorp entered the  inlet in 2012                                                                    
and had a  focus on renewing and extending  field life. More                                                                    
recently there  had been a  capital investment  decline that                                                                    
followed the decline in oil  prices starting the second half                                                                    
of 2014 as well as the repeal  of most of the tax credits in                                                                    
Cook  Inlet in  2016.  The forecast  expected fairly  modest                                                                    
capital spending going forward.  He commented that operating                                                                    
costs had been  fairly stable, with a  slight decline during                                                                    
the Covid-19  pandemic as some activities  were scaled back.                                                                    
The  department  was  expecting that  the  activities  would                                                                    
bounce back  in the current  year and stabilize at  a little                                                                    
over $300 million per year.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  thought the chart  on slide 9 did  not take                                                                    
into  consideration  what  was happening  in  Russia,  where                                                                    
sanctions were shutting down 600  million barrels of oil per                                                                    
day.  He asked  how the  graph  might be  affected into  the                                                                    
future if the sanctions continued.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel stated  that to some extent, the  impact of what                                                                    
was happening in  Russia was reflected in  a higher expected                                                                    
oil price forecast. The department  had made some adjustment                                                                    
to  the  lease expenditures  forecasts  to  account for  the                                                                    
potential that cost across the  industry would be inflated a                                                                    
bit  with  the  higher  oil price  forecast.  He  considered                                                                    
protracted  disruptions to  the market,  and thought  it was                                                                    
possible  that a  demand for  more investment  or a  tighter                                                                    
market for  services could potentially increase  the cost of                                                                    
doing business.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:42:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  addressed  slide   10,  "Non-North  Slope  Tax                                                                    
Credits," which showed  a chart of ten years  of history and                                                                    
forecast for tax credits for  non-North Slope. He cited that                                                                    
the chart was consistent with  figure 8-4 of the Spring 2022                                                                    
Forecast.  He explained  that DOR  aggregated the  data from                                                                    
Cook  Inlet with  all other  activity outside  of the  North                                                                    
Slope for confidentiality purposes.  The credits against tax                                                                    
liability   included   capital  expenditure   credits,   net                                                                    
operating loss credits,  well-lease expenditure credits, and                                                                    
small  producer  credits.  Most  of  the  credits  had  been                                                                    
entirely phased out for Cook  Inlet. The "credits purchased"                                                                    
shown  on the  graph included  capital expenditure  credits,                                                                    
net operating loss  credits, well-lease expenditure credits,                                                                    
exploration  credits, gas  storage  credits, liquid  natural                                                                    
gas (LNG) storage credits,  and refinery investment credits.                                                                    
The large suite of credits  available to non-North Slope had                                                                    
all   been  repealed   and   sunset.   There  were   capital                                                                    
expenditure  and net  operating loss  credits that  remained                                                                    
available outside  of Cook  Inlet and  outside of  the North                                                                    
Slope in the remaining area  of the state colloquially known                                                                    
as Middle Earth.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel noted that the changes  put in place in 2016 led                                                                    
to  the phase-out  of  the availability  of  the credits  by                                                                    
2018.  Given  the  state budget  issues  over  the  previous                                                                    
several years, the  full value of the  credits available for                                                                    
purchase had  not been  appropriated each  year. For  FY 22,                                                                    
there  was  $54 million  appropriated  for  purchase of  tax                                                                    
credits,  $18  million  of which  went  to  non-North  Slope                                                                    
credits. The outstanding balance as of  the end of FY 22 was                                                                    
expected at  $264 million for  non-North Slope  credits, out                                                                    
of  $532  million  statewide.  The   chart  showed  how  the                                                                    
remaining  tax  credits  specifically  for  non-North  Slope                                                                    
credits   would  be   paid  off,   assuming  the   statutory                                                                    
appropriation for tax credits were  made beginning in FY 23.                                                                    
He  pointed out  that  given the  higher  price and  revenue                                                                    
outlook  in  the spring  forecast,  he  expected the  entire                                                                    
balance of the credits would be retired by 2024.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  expected the  committee would not  use the                                                                    
forecast to calculate the credits.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel understood.  He  noted  that the  appropriation                                                                    
would be slightly less with a lower oil price.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman relayed  that the  matter would  be worked                                                                    
out at a  later time depending upon what  the members wanted                                                                    
to  do. He  thought  he  thought there  would  be a  meeting                                                                    
dedicated to the subject.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:46:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  agreed with Co-Chair Stedman.  He asked about                                                                    
the non-North Slope  tax credits and asked  if the reasoning                                                                    
for getting  rid of the  credits was  due to the  ability to                                                                    
sell  the credits  or if  it was  to do  with net  operating                                                                    
losses.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  thought he  should  not  speak to  the  policy                                                                    
decisions behind repealing the credits.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  followed up  on Senator  Olson's question.                                                                    
He  thought the  slide  showed substantial  credits in  Cook                                                                    
Inlet. He  mentioned that many members  were concerned about                                                                    
the negative cash  flow from Cook Inlet  around 2012 through                                                                    
2015. He asserted that the  legislature wanted to assist the                                                                    
industry  in staying  viable,  but still  had  to have  some                                                                    
revenue coming  in the door.  He thought there  was negative                                                                    
cash flow shown on the  chart. He requested some data points                                                                    
from what  Non-North Slope revenue  had come into  the state                                                                    
during the  time, to see  how policies had  affected revenue                                                                    
and production,  so there was  a more realistic view  of the                                                                    
matter.  He  recalled  that the  review  of  the  escalating                                                                    
credits in  Cook Inlet relative  to the cash flow  coming in                                                                    
had created a conversation with  DNR and brought forward the                                                                    
issue of adjusting the credits.  He thought the numbers were                                                                    
staggering.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:49:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  explained that for the  presentation, the slide                                                                    
showed  two years  of  revenue history.  He  pointed out  an                                                                    
estimated total Cook Inlet oil  and gas revenue to the state                                                                    
was $68 in FY  20 and $65 million in FY 21.  He did not have                                                                    
the exact numbers going back  farther, but could confidently                                                                    
say  that for  the years  from FY  13 to  FY 16  the credits                                                                    
purchased  would have  significantly exceeded  state revenue                                                                    
from Cook Inlet.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  suggested that  in  the  future when  the                                                                    
legislature  made policy  changes,  it would  be helpful  to                                                                    
look back at numerics. He  informed that the legislature had                                                                    
been trying  to stimulate  gas production  in Cook  Inlet to                                                                    
alleviate potential  brownouts. The  component that  was not                                                                    
reflected in the data was  the changes Regulatory Commission                                                                    
of Alaska had  made in allowing the price to  move. Once the                                                                    
price  moved, there  was more  gas than  could be  used from                                                                    
Cook  Inlet. He  opined  that the  state had  overstimulated                                                                    
Cook Inlet by hundreds of  millions of dollars. He asked Mr.                                                                    
Stickel to  go up to FY  25 with the additional  data points                                                                    
for the graph.  He asked Mr. Stickel to  use fair discretion                                                                    
about presenting the credits against revenue.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:52:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  advanced to  slide  11,  "Non-North Slope  Tax                                                                    
Credits: Key Statistics":                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     ? FY 2007 through CY 2021, $0.1 billion of credits                                                                         
     applied against production tax liabilities                                                                                 
     ? FY 2007 through CY 2021, $1.6 billion of credits                                                                         
     earned and eligible for state purchase                                                                                     
          o $1.3 billion purchased through end of CY 2021                                                                       
          o $265 million outstanding as of end of CY 2021                                                                       
     ? Legislative action has eliminated most Cook Inlet                                                                        
     credits:                                                                                                                   
          o Qualified Capital Expenditure Credit, Well                                                                          
          Lease Expenditure Credit, Net Operating Loss                                                                          
          Credit all repealed January 1, 2018.                                                                                  
          o Eligibility for In-State Refinery and LNG                                                                           
          Storage Facility Credits ended January 1, 2020.                                                                       
          o Small Producer Credit remains: applicable to                                                                        
          tax liability only, phasing out completely by                                                                         
          2024.                                                                                                                 
          o No per-taxable-barrel credits or carried-                                                                           
          forward loss for Cook Inlet.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman requested  that  Mr. Stickel  back up  the                                                                    
cash flow  data to 2007 so  it would match the  time span on                                                                    
slide 11.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:53:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel  looked  at  slide  12,  "Non-North  Slope  Tax                                                                    
Credits: Correlation with Company Activity":                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     ? For the $1.3 billion of credits purchased through CY                                                                     
     2021:                                                                                                                      
          o   Non-North   Slope   lease   expenditures   for                                                                    
          companies receiving the credits totaled $4.8                                                                          
          billion through CY 2020                                                                                               
               ? Credit support averaged 27% of lease                                                                           
               expenditures                                                                                                     
          o $1.1 billion to companies with production by                                                                        
          the end of CY 2020 (includes production by                                                                            
          acquiring companies)                                                                                                  
               ? Total Non-North Slope production through                                                                       
               CY 2020 of 154 million BOE                                                                                       
               ? Credits to producers equate to $7/ BOE or                                                                      
               $1.18/ mcf                                                                                                       
          o $215 million to companies without regular                                                                           
          production                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     ? Credits per unit of production and as a share of                                                                         
     lease expenditures will decrease over time due to                                                                          
     additional production and spending                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stickel explained  that  slide 12  looked  at the  $1.3                                                                    
billion  in  tax  credits  for  non-North  Slope  that  were                                                                    
purchased  and looked  at what  activity was  seen from  the                                                                    
companies  that received  the  credits.  The companies  that                                                                    
received  the $1.3  billion in  credit had  $4.8 billion  in                                                                    
non-North Slope lease expenditures  through the end of 2020.                                                                    
The  credits   amounted  to  about   27  percent   of  lease                                                                    
expenditures.  He   noted  that   for  companies   that  had                                                                    
production  there were  about $1.1  billion in  credits that                                                                    
went to NNS companies that  were in production, which worked                                                                    
out to  about $7/bbl  equivalent, or  about $1.18  per cubic                                                                    
feet of  gas equivalent. Additionally, there  was about $215                                                                    
million that went  to companies that did  not have non-North                                                                    
Slope  production.   Some  of   the  companies   could  have                                                                    
production  in  the  future,  but even  if  not  there  were                                                                    
benefits  to  the state  from  the  activity that  was  done                                                                    
through DNRs data collection.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman was  a  little  concerned about  companies                                                                    
that came  forward for credits after  producing nothing, and                                                                    
considered policy  adjustments in  the future to  ensure the                                                                    
state got something back.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stickel  showed slide 13, "Non-North  Slope Tax Credits:                                                                    
Correlation  with Company  Activity," which  showed a  chart                                                                    
showing how  state petroleum revenues  varied by  land type.                                                                    
He cited  the concept  not  all oil is equal.   He explained                                                                    
that production tax, corporate income  tax, and property tax                                                                    
applied everywhere in the state  except federal waters three                                                                    
miles  offshore. Royalty  rates varied  by ownership  of the                                                                    
type of land it was on.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman thanked  Mr. Stickel for a  response to the                                                                    
committee regarding the order  of operations. He recommended                                                                    
that Mr.  Stickel include the  information on  the effective                                                                    
tax rate  and accumulation  of credits year  by year  in the                                                                    
fall  revenue  forecast.  He  thought  there  was  a  couple                                                                    
billion in  accrued credits, and he  thought the information                                                                    
would help the legislature keep  track of and understand the                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:58:19 AM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:59:11 AM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  CROWTHER, DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT  OF NATURAL                                                                    
RESOURCES, introduced himself.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
RYAN FITZPATRICK,  COMMERCIAL ANALYST,  DIVISION OF  OIL AND                                                                    
GAS,   DEPARTMENT  OF   NATURAL  RESOURCES,   discussed  the                                                                    
presentation "COOK INLET GAS MARKET  BRIEFING FOR THE SENATE                                                                    
FINANCE COMMITTEE" (copy on file).                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fitzpatrick showed slide 2, "Agenda":                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     ?Southcentral Gas Demand                                                                                                   
     ?Cook Inlet Field Overview                                                                                                 
     ?History of Cook Inlet Tax Credit Program                                                                                  
     ?Exploration and Development in Cook Inlet                                                                                 
     ?Future Production and Gas Reserves                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Fitzpatrick  advanced  to slide  3,  "SOUTHCENTRAL  GAS                                                                    
DEMAND: DEMAND BY USER TYPE":                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Kenai LNG Plant                                                                                                            
          ? Nikiski liquified natural gas (LNG) facility is                                                                     
          operated by, Trans-Foreland Pipeline Co. LLC                                                                          
          which is a sub of Marathon Oil                                                                                        
          ? Last exported LNG was 2015                                                                                          
          ? Department of Energy (DOE) authorization for                                                                        
          exporting LNG expired in 2018                                                                                         
          ? Dec 2020 Federal Energy Regulatory Commission                                                                       
          (FERC) approved LNG Imports to this facility an                                                                       
          annual capacity up to 1.8 billion cubic feet                                                                          
          (bcf) per year.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Nutrien Fertilizer Plant                                                                                                   
         ? 2nd largest ammonia/urea plant in U.S.                                                                               
          ? Shut down and mothballed in 2007, however                                                                           
          Nutrien maintains permits                                                                                             
          ? Gas prices relative to Lower 48 makes economics                                                                     
          difficult                                                                                                             
          ? Potential source for blue hydrogen/blue ammonia                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fitzpatrick  spoke to  the graph  on the  slide entitled                                                                    
'Demand  for Cook  Inlet Gas,'  which was  broken down  into                                                                    
different  user types.  The bottom  four layers  represented                                                                    
oil and  gas operations in  the Cook Inlet area.  He pointed                                                                    
out that the four layers  represented a stable base of about                                                                    
75  billion cubic  feet  per year  consumption  in the  Cook                                                                    
Inlet Region. He noted that going  back to 2000, there was a                                                                    
little more variability in the  power generation use for gas                                                                    
in Cook  Inlet, which  was due  to a  number of  factors. He                                                                    
described differences  in electrical efficiency both  in end                                                                    
user level and  in power generation. He used  the example of                                                                    
a power plant put in place by Chugach Electric.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fitzpatrick  pointed out the red  layer that represented                                                                    
the   fertilizer   plant,   and  the   light   green   layer                                                                    
representing the Kenai liquid  natural gas (LNG) exports. He                                                                    
noted  that the  export  sources  contributed a  significant                                                                    
amount  to gas  demand going  back to  2000. The  fertilizer                                                                    
plant used gas to create  ammonia fertilizer for export, and                                                                    
the Kenai plant was one of  the very early LNG plants in the                                                                    
world and exported LNG primarily to Asia.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:03:42 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  recalled that  the LNG plant  had exported                                                                    
to Japan.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fitzpatrick  agreed, and described that  the plant began                                                                    
operations in the 1960s, and  exported LNG for a long period                                                                    
of time.  He believed for a  long while it was  the only LNG                                                                    
export from the United States into the Asia-Pacific region.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fitzpatrick  continued to address  slide 3.  He observed                                                                    
that  over time  from  the  2000s  to  the  2010s,  the  two                                                                    
export facilities were responsible  for large amounts of the                                                                    
gas demand in  Cook Inlet. Starting in the  2010s  both uses                                                                    
fell  off  rather dramatically  and  was  responsible for  a                                                                    
large  amount of  the  decline  for demand  of  gas in  Cook                                                                    
Inlet. He  made note of  the black layer  on the top  of the                                                                    
graph that  started around 2010,  which represented  a small                                                                    
amount of gas that was diverted  from Cook Inlet up into the                                                                    
Interior LNG  Project. The gas  was liquified in  Cook Inlet                                                                    
and exported to Fairbanks for primarily residential use.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Fitzpatrick  continued  to read  information  from  the                                                                    
slide related to the fertilizer plant and the LNG plant.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:06:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Fitzpatrick  spoke  to  slide  4,  "COOK  INLET  FIELDS                                                                    
OVERVIEW:  PRODUCTION  BY  FIELD,"   which  showed  a  table                                                                    
listing of  the current producing  fields in the  Cook Inlet                                                                    
area. He  noted there  was a  number of  currently producing                                                                    
fields,  although  there  were  many owners  in  the  inlet,                                                                    
Hilcorp was the  predominant owner of many of  the units. He                                                                    
pointed out  that the table  had information on  the current                                                                    
2021  production  by  field, and  that  gas  production  was                                                                    
expressed  in   billions  of  cubic  feet,   while  oil  was                                                                    
expressed  in barrels  per day.  There  were several  fields                                                                    
producing oil  in Cook  Inlet, most  of which  also produced                                                                    
gas.  He thought  there  was  only one  or  two fields  that                                                                    
produced oil but not gas.  He noted that the predominance of                                                                    
fields in  the inlet that produced  only gas was one  of the                                                                    
major  differences between  Cook Inlet  and the  North Slope                                                                    
basin. He  cited that gas-only production  was still capital                                                                    
intensive,  but  not as  profitable  as  mixed oil  and  gas                                                                    
production,   which   presented   certain   challenges   for                                                                    
producing gas in the Cook Inlet Area.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Fitzpatrick noted  there was  a map  on the  slide that                                                                    
showed the locations of the  different fields in Cook Inlet.                                                                    
He  thought   the  appendices   of  the   presentation  also                                                                    
contained the  information. He added  that there was  a link                                                                    
on the slide  to the department's website to  see the larger                                                                    
map.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked about the  market saturation  due to                                                                    
longer term  contracts in the  Cook Inlet area. He  asked if                                                                    
the market was  tied up for multiple years, or  if there was                                                                    
huge capacity.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Fitzpatrick  affirmed   that  the   majority  of   the                                                                    
production in the  Cook Inlet area was tied  up in long-term                                                                    
contracts.  The  majority  of   the  gas  production,  going                                                                    
primarily to residential and electrical  use, was tied up in                                                                    
long  term   contracts  that  were  approved   by  RCA.  The                                                                    
contracts  had different  pricing mechanisms,  was sometimes                                                                    
there was  a flat  gas price  and sometimes  with provisions                                                                    
for escalations in gas price  over the term of the contract.                                                                    
He  continued that  the other  types of  gas demand  in Cook                                                                    
Inlet, for commercial  uses and oil and  gas operations, may                                                                    
be  tied into  long  term contracts  although the  contracts                                                                    
were not subject to approval by the RCA.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman wanted to reverse  the question. He queried                                                                    
how  much  gas  could  be  delivered  to  Anchorage  without                                                                    
additional  exploration  and   development  in  Cook  Inlet,                                                                    
whether there was a one-month  supply, five-month supply, or                                                                    
twenty-year supply.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Fitzpatrick thought  a later  slide  would address  the                                                                    
question, and would show remaining reserves in Cook Inlet.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:11:03 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Fitzpatrick  addressed  slide  5,  "COOK  INLET  FIELDS                                                                    
OVERVIEW: GAS  PRODUCTION HISTORY," which showed  two graphs                                                                    
that addressed  historical production within the  basin. The                                                                    
graph on  the left showed  the production from  state leases                                                                    
by  lessee,  and  the  graph   on  the  right  showed  total                                                                    
production in  Cook Inlet  by field  and included  the gross                                                                    
production including state, federal, and private leases.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop  asked if the private  leases were comprised                                                                    
of pre-statehood homesteads and Native allotments.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fitzpatrick  affirmed that the number  of private leases                                                                    
in Cook Inlet was relatively  small, and the majority of the                                                                    
private leases were pre-state homesteading leases.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Crowther added that there  was also some production from                                                                    
Alaska Native corporation owned land.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fitzpatrick advanced to slide  6, "HISTORY OF COOK INLET                                                                    
TAX  CREDIT PROGRAM:  DESIGN AND  PURPOSE,"  which showed  a                                                                    
table of primary  Cook Inlet credits versus  other major tax                                                                    
credits. He  cited that  DNRs  primary  interest in  the tax                                                                    
credit program  was that  a number  of the  credits required                                                                    
submission of  data to DNR.  He drew attention to  the left-                                                                    
hand  side  of the  table,  which  showed two  credits  that                                                                    
required data  submission, as well  as one credit  listed on                                                                    
the right.  In order to  qualify for the  credits, companies                                                                    
had to  certify and  turn over data  regarding the  wells or                                                                    
the  seismic exploration  campaigns undertaken  to earn  the                                                                    
credits.  The   data  could  be  used   in-house  for  DNRs                                                                     
evaluations of different basins and fields.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  if all  the companies  produced all                                                                    
the data that was required.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Fitzpatrick   thought  there   was  someone   from  the                                                                    
department available online to answer the question.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:14:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
HEATHER  HEUSSER, NATURAL  RESOURCE SPECIALIST,  DIVISION OF                                                                    
OIL   AND  GAS,   DEPARTMENT  OF   NATURAL  RESOURCES   (via                                                                    
teleconference), answered in  the affirmative. She explained                                                                    
that  as a  condition of  the tax  credit, companies  had to                                                                    
submit the data prior to receiving the credit.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fitzpatrick  referenced slide  7, "DATA  RELEASE THROUGH                                                                    
THE  TAX  CREDITS  PROGRAM,"  which   showed  two  maps  and                                                                    
information regarding  the seismic  data release  status and                                                                    
wellhead data  release status of entities  that utilized the                                                                    
tax credits  program. In addition  to being able to  use the                                                                    
information within  DNR, one  of the  provisions of  the tax                                                                    
credit data program  allowed the data to be  released to the                                                                    
public. The areas  shown in red were  surveys that qualified                                                                    
for tax  credits through the  program, but the data  had not                                                                    
reached the statutory holding period by DNR.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Fitzpatrick continued  to address  slide 7.  The right-                                                                    
hand  side  showed information  about  wells  using the  tax                                                                    
credit program.  All the  data from  the wells  was publicly                                                                    
available, and free of charge  for research institutions and                                                                    
government entities.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:18:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MADUABUCHI PASCAL UMEKWE,  PHD, COMMERCIAL ANALYST, DIVISION                                                                    
OF  OIL  AND  GAS,  DEPARTMENT  OF  NATURAL  RESOURCES  (via                                                                    
teleconference),   spoke   to   slide  8,   "EXPLORATION   &                                                                    
DEVELOPMENT IN COOK INLET: 2000  THROUGH 2021," which showed                                                                    
the  count of  wells that  had been  drilled since  2000. He                                                                    
drew attention to  the top left, which  showed the different                                                                    
categories  of wells.  On the  lower  left there  was a  bar                                                                    
graph that showed  the well count by class  over the period.                                                                    
The blue  bars showed  the exploration  wells and  rust bars                                                                    
showed stratigraphic test wells,  both of which were drilled                                                                    
as part of exploration activity by operators in Cook Inlet.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Umekwe  thought it was easy  to see there were  years in                                                                    
which no  wells were  drilled, around  2007 and  2008, after                                                                    
which  there  was  a  surge.  He  mentioned  incentives  for                                                                    
exploration.   He  noted   that  lately   there  were   more                                                                    
stratigraphic wells  drilled, which  were a fraction  of the                                                                    
cost for full-blown exploration  wells. The wells would help                                                                    
with understanding  the structure and stratigraphy  in areas                                                                    
of interest.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:20:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Fitzpatrick  turned   to  slide   9,  "EXPLORATION   &                                                                    
DEVELOPMENT IN  COOK INLET:  COOK INLET  FUTURE PRODUCTION,"                                                                    
which   showed  two   different   graphs.   The  top   graph                                                                    
represented  several  gas  reserves surveys  that  had  been                                                                    
conducted over a  number of years. He  observed that updates                                                                    
to studies showed the total  estimated production out of the                                                                    
Cook  Inlet basin  over  its expected  life.  The grey  bars                                                                    
represented the  amount of  gas produced  to date.  He noted                                                                    
that  there was  fluctuation in  the graphs  as the  studies                                                                    
used different  methodologies or different  assumptions. The                                                                    
blue  bars at  the top  represented the  estimated remaining                                                                    
amount of gas reserves in Cook Inlet.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He observed  that from  the 2009 to  2018 studies  there was                                                                    
somewhere  between 700  billion cubic  feet to  1.1 trillion                                                                    
cubic  feet   was  the  estimated  remaining   reserves  and                                                                    
expected  to  be produced  out  of  existing fields,  absent                                                                    
reserves  replacement due  to further  exploration activity.                                                                    
Using  information  from  the  graph  depicting  demand,  he                                                                    
estimated that  there was somewhere  between 10 to  15 years                                                                    
gas demand  that was  able to  be supplied  out of  the Cook                                                                    
Inlet Basin.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Fitzpatrick   continued  to   address  the   slide.  He                                                                    
explained that  the exploration activity contributed  to the                                                                    
total gas remaining  reserves, which was part  of the reason                                                                    
for  change over  time over  the  total expected  production                                                                    
from the inlet  in studies. He cited that  starting in 2009,                                                                    
studies showed  8.9 trillion cubic  feet of gas  expected to                                                                    
be produced  out of the basin,  up to the most  recent study                                                                    
that showed  9.3 trillion  cubic feet  of gas.  He explained                                                                    
that  DNR was  going  through the  process  of updating  the                                                                    
study with current market conditions and technology.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  to  advance to  the  next slide  to                                                                    
address exploration and development.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:24:43 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Fitzpatrick  addressed   slide   10,  "EXPLORATION   &                                                                    
DEVELOPMENT   IN  COOK   INLET:   COOK  INLET   UNDISCOVERED                                                                    
RESOURCE":                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     ? Undiscovered, Technically Recoverable                                                                                    
     Oil & Gas (USGS, 2011):                                                                                                    
          ? mean conventional oil 599 MMBO                                                                                      
          ? mean conventional gas 13.7 TCF                                                                                      
          ? mean unconventional gas 5.3 TCF                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     ? Undiscovered, Technically Recoverable                                                                                    
     Gas:                                                                                                                       
          ? 1.2 TCF additional mean resource assessed in                                                                        
          Southern Cook Inlet OCS (BOEM, 2011)                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     ? In general, access to additional area provides                                                                           
     opportunities   for    locating   and   commercializing                                                                    
     currently undiscovered resources.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Fitzpatrick  explained  that   the  slide  showed  some                                                                    
estimates  of the  remaining undiscovered  or potential  oil                                                                    
and gas reserves  in Cook Inlet. He reviewed  the numbers on                                                                    
the slide  and noted  that the  Bureau of  Energy Management                                                                    
primarily  looked  at  offshore   gas  reserves  in  federal                                                                    
waters.  He  summarized that  there  was  the potential  for                                                                    
additional  gas  exploration,  development,  and  production                                                                    
into  the  Southcentral  market,   based  on  resources  the                                                                    
studies indicated were yet undiscovered.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman did  not  think "technically  recoverable"                                                                    
was necessarily  the same  as "financially  recoverable.  He                                                                    
asked Mr. Fitzpatrick to comment.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Fitzpatrick   agreed  that   "technically  recoverable"                                                                    
affirmed  that  the  gas   was  recoverable  using  existing                                                                    
technology, however  the concept  did not apply  an economic                                                                    
filter to  the potential reserves. Although  it was possible                                                                    
to technically recover the resource,  the cost might be more                                                                    
than the current price of  gas the Southcentral market would                                                                    
be able to bear. He pondered  that prices over time would be                                                                    
expected to rise  as gas was produced from  smaller and more                                                                    
difficult reservoirs that cost more to produce.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Fitzpatrick  explained  that  it was  not  possible  to                                                                    
quantify the  cost to  produce undiscovered  resources until                                                                    
discovered  and quantified  with a  plan of  development. He                                                                    
thought  it  was possible  that  there  was an  undiscovered                                                                    
resource that was  large and very cheap  to produce, however                                                                    
over time the  likelihood was that the  gas resources tended                                                                    
to be in smaller or more difficult to produce reservoirs.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman thanked the  departments for presenting. He                                                                    
intended  to   schedule  time  for  the   remainder  of  the                                                                    
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fitzpatrick  relayed that the majority  of the remaining                                                                    
slides  either  dealt  with  the  bill  that  the  committee                                                                    
removed from the agenda or were appendices.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  avowed  to be  in  communication  on  the                                                                    
matter.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
10:29:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:29 a.m.                                                                                         

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SB 62 Opposition Mouw.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Kachemak Bay Conservation Society.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Irwin.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Gill.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Christiansen.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 DNR 2022-02-17_SB62_SFIN Response to Questions.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Fletcher.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Olson.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Berg.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Sigman.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Friends of Kachemak Bay State Park.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Leutwyler.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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Cook Inlet Update SFIN_2022(draft)_2022.03.15 (002).pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 DNR 2022-03-18_Cook Inlet for SFIN.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Archibald.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition McCarthy.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Knight.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Lavrakas.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Fedora.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Brooks.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Perry.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Brann.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Whytal.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Handy.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Hillstrand.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposoition Hinnant.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposotion Schuster.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Pariyar.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Banks.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 Opposition Kachemak Bay Conservation Society letter and petition.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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SB 62 DOR Response to SFIN Cook Inlet Presentation 2022.04.12.pdf SFIN 3/18/2022 9:00:00 AM
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